Dorian Stratford
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Snape
May 19, 2007 20:02:13 GMT -5
Post by Dorian Stratford on May 19, 2007 20:02:13 GMT -5
Lol yes. The same old argument. I've read lots of conflicting thoughts on the matter, and I find the argument that Snape is innocent to be the most convincing.
What say you chickens?
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Tory Bloom
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Snape
May 20, 2007 7:54:38 GMT -5
Post by Tory Bloom on May 20, 2007 7:54:38 GMT -5
Of course he's innocent! JK said it herself - he is just a very talented wizard.
Not a very long and detailed argument I know, but I've done so many on so many different forums I'm all debated out xD
I will say this though, why do you think Dumbledore and Snape were arguing? Why did Snape proclaim that he - 'Didn't want to go through with it.' When Dumbledore uttered the famous "Severus, Severus please..." line, no indication was given that he was begging for his life, he was just pleading with Snape to do what they had planned.
You should check out Mugglenet. They have some theories on there that I certainly wouldn't have thought of.
One of which is that Dumbledore was impersonating Snape at Spinner's End. So he was the one who took the Unbreakable Vow.
Right, I'm gonna stop now before you tempt me back into my old six-pages-on-Jennie's-theories ways.
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Daniel Todd
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Snape
May 20, 2007 10:34:20 GMT -5
Post by Daniel Todd on May 20, 2007 10:34:20 GMT -5
He is a murder he killed the headmaster, and if harry was not hidden he would of killed him too. Have any read the half blood prince yet. He is a murder that is it, and then her tried to kill Harry. I am going with murder
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Abbie Chalk
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Snape
May 20, 2007 10:43:48 GMT -5
Post by Abbie Chalk on May 20, 2007 10:43:48 GMT -5
Ahhhh.... all of these theories confuse me. Well, not confuse me, but more like make me always change my own thoughts.
You see, I'm in between. On one side of the spectrum, he's totally guilty. He killed Dumbledore cold-blooded.
Even so, that would still mean he would be guilty because he refused to go with their plan.
But, on the other hand, (which is what I'm mostly leaning to), he's totally innocent. He said all this stuff about "staying at his post". Ha! Who is really that loyal to Voldemort? If you haven't noticed, almost all Death Eaters have betrayed him at one time or another. He didn't really stay at his "post". He was a coward and had no where to go. Who would just quit their job because Voldemort vanished? He had a life. He wasn't going to give it up. But, when Voldemort returned, I think he just used it as an excuse to say, 'hey, I stayed!'. It's total codswallop to me.
Everybody is afraid of the Dark Lord. No matter how close you claim you are. Even Dumbledore said that Voldemort has no friends and he never will. And I think every Death Eater knows that. I think every Death Eater tries to cover their butt in some way so that they don't get killed.
But, that is just my personal opinion.
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Daniel Todd
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May 20, 2007 10:45:43 GMT -5
Post by Daniel Todd on May 20, 2007 10:45:43 GMT -5
I still say he is gulity
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Dorian Stratford
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May 20, 2007 13:10:49 GMT -5
Post by Dorian Stratford on May 20, 2007 13:10:49 GMT -5
I've read mugglenet a lot over the past few years aswell ^^
When I first read the 6th book(And I've read it three times since then) I believed Snape guilty, but honestly, there is more evidence for snape is innocent than he's guilty.
I don't know about the Dumbledore impersonating snape thing, but I believe that Snape acted out of necessity. From the very beginning, Snape knew either himself or Dumbledore would have to die, one would more than likely have to kill the other. Now it's obvious, Dumbledore knowing about the unbreakable vow, would not kill Snape, because well, it's Dumbledore -.-
To suggest that Snape is simply a cold blooded killer is ridiculous to me. Everyone has a sense of Self preservation, it would seem, everyone except Dumbledore. But Albus has proved his peculiarities for this to be too surprising. I believe Snapes innocence also because I believe Dumbledore to be a better judge of character than Voldemort.
Though I do have to wonder about the legilimens/occulumens thing. If Voldemort is such an accomplished mind reader, wouldn't he know Snape was betraying him? I mean, Harry got in Snapes mind, surely Voldemort would be able to. Or was Snape just caught off guard because, as he so often says, he believes Harry thoroughly inadequate?
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Abbie Chalk
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May 20, 2007 15:37:05 GMT -5
Post by Abbie Chalk on May 20, 2007 15:37:05 GMT -5
Very true, but Snape is very skilled at Occulumency. I think Harry just caught him off-guard that one time. You can't be guarding your mind all the time, now can you?
Like I said, I'm in between, but I'm leaning more toward the idea that Snape is just trying to cover his own butt just like all the other Death Eaters. I think it was coincidence that he kept his "post". And, like I said before, he had a life. It would seem rather odd if he were to quit his job right after Voldemort disappeared. No, it wouldn't be odd... it would be pointless.
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Dorian Stratford
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May 20, 2007 15:49:01 GMT -5
Post by Dorian Stratford on May 20, 2007 15:49:01 GMT -5
Well yes, but if he was just covering his own butt, why did he save Harry's life back in first year, and then wherever else he's done it? He could have just as easily looked the other way.
Though I suppose after awhile Albus might have gotten suspicious. Hrm.
Well I suppose we jsut have to wait for the seventh book XD
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Snape
May 20, 2007 17:48:06 GMT -5
Post by Lindsey Brechin on May 20, 2007 17:48:06 GMT -5
What ever you say but now Harry is going to try and kill him. Maybe
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Dorian Stratford
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Snape
May 20, 2007 17:57:35 GMT -5
Post by Dorian Stratford on May 20, 2007 17:57:35 GMT -5
lol you seem very determined about this.
What are the facts backing up your opinion? hrm? hrm? -nudge nudge-
-sugar high today-
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Snape
May 20, 2007 19:17:25 GMT -5
Post by Lindsey Brechin on May 20, 2007 19:17:25 GMT -5
As I am Daniel I will go and tell you. The meeting with that other headmaster in the 4th book, the meeting with the professor in the 1st book, Then him killing Dumbledore and then trying to kill Harry, Yes I have read the 6th book, (AWSOME BBOK, But sad)
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